1Cor 10:3-And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4-And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

... well you know me, I'm going to pick at this a bit ;-)

I did not read where Colin denied the deity of Jesus [yet] ... only that He was not the Creator. Of course we all must confess He is/was a man who came in the flesh ...

So I guess I have to ask Colin to clarify his thoughts on Eugene's quote here;

I remember you objected to Trinitarian theology, but I didn't remember that you objected... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (bluesky22) http://sapereaude.yuku.com/sreply/67407 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 02:58:52 GMT http://sapereaude.yuku.com/reply/67406/t/The-Real-Jesus.html#reply-67406

I guess I've been away from these forums so long that I've missed things. In all the years I've read your posts and debates, you've never stated your belief about Jesus so clearly, Colin. Not that I remember, anyway. I don't debate these things anymore or attach overly much importance to them, but I am surprised. I think I remember you objected to Trinitarian theology, but I didn't remember that you objected to the deity of... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (bluesky22) http://sapereaude.yuku.com/sreply/67406 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 02:09:03 GMT http://sapereaude.yuku.com/reply/67405/t/The-Real-Jesus.html#reply-67405 1Cor 10:3-And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4-And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Obviously the rock itself was not Christ, but the Spirit was, and it was the same spirit which dwelt in Jesus and dwells with/ and in the Christian thus giving us a picture of what it is to be led by Christ or the spirit of God if you prefer, through the man Jesus who has... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (bluesky22) http://sapereaude.yuku.com/sreply/67405 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 01:55:40 GMT http://sapereaude.yuku.com/reply/67404/t/The-Real-Jesus.html#reply-67404

I have used up my daily time but I will get to give the scriptures from which I have drawn my beliefs.

Provided that when I do that sensible responses are made and everyone does not disappear as per usual.

Colin. ]]> feeds@yuku.com (bluesky22) http://sapereaude.yuku.com/sreply/67404 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:28:34 GMT http://sapereaude.yuku.com/reply/67401/t/The-Real-Jesus.html#reply-67401

Let the same mind be in you that was in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not regard equality with God as something to be exploited, but emptied himself, taking the form of a slave, being born in human likeness. And being found in human form, he humbled himself and became obedient to the point of death -- even death on a cross. NRSV


You said;

The passage... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (alwayseekin) http://sapereaude.yuku.com/sreply/67401 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 10:41:05 GMT http://sapereaude.yuku.com/reply/67399/t/The-Real-Jesus.html#reply-67399 In a monotheistic religion, "deity" and "creator" are synonymous.

I did not know this ... The way I am reading your comment it says ANY deity MUST be creator... Whereas I did make a separation between the two in my mind. Meaning, I thought one could be declared/considered/seen as God and yet NOT be the Creator Himself.

I see your point though, and it is obvious that I haven't given this enough thought (or been involved with a... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (alwayseekin) http://sapereaude.yuku.com/sreply/67399 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 09:27:07 GMT http://sapereaude.yuku.com/reply/67398/t/The-Real-Jesus.html#reply-67398 I will certainly respect your wishes to not be drawn into debate or heated discussion over these points, but it would be nice to know just what scriptures you have in mind.

Thanks. My experience with godhead debates is that they tend to devolve into inquisitions. I've served both as inquisitor and heretic in the past, so I avoid them now. My view is not strictly orthodox, but I strongly believe that Jesus Christ is God who became a man.... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Eugene210) http://sapereaude.yuku.com/sreply/67398 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 09:15:14 GMT http://sapereaude.yuku.com/reply/67396/t/The-Real-Jesus.html#reply-67396 I did not read where Colin denied the deity of Jesus [yet] ... only that He was not the Creator.

I remember you objected to Trinitarian theology, but I didn't remember that you objected to the deity of Christ.